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New Orleans Saints could trade Sean Payton and not ask for much in return

A year after the Colts considered acquiring Saints coach Sean Payton, and a year after Payton signed a lucrative extension in New Orleans, a change of scenery is still possible.

League sources said the Saints — adrift in another lost season and with veteran quarterback Drew Brees spiraling in recent weeks — would consider moving the coach should there be suitors, and it would not likely require hefty trade compensation.

The Saints are dealing with several issues regarding ownership and the possible structure of football operations moving forward. Brees, who turns 38 on Jan. 15, has one year left on his contract, and doing another one-year extension may be tricky given his struggles after a strong start. He has thrown nine touchdowns to nine interceptions in New Orleans’ last five games, four of them losses; only Philip Rivershas more interceptions in that span.

Moving Payton’s contract would free up about $40 million at a time when owner Tom Benson’s health and the future of ownership is in question, and that money, along with the $25 million in cash/cap savings that would occur whenever Brees departs, would go a long way to providing an influx of means to rebuild this team. Benson has also struggled with his NBA franchise, both in the standings and at the box office.

“I don’t think it would take all that much to get him, actually,” said one source with knowledge of the situation. “I don’t think [GM] Mickey [Loomis] would hold him back or ask for all that much in return at this point.”

Payton has had a long and successful stint in New Orleans, taking the formerly moribund franchise to a Super Bowl title, but the idea of a new challenge wouldn’t be without attraction. The Saints may be undergoing a front office restructuring of sorts, and, mired in salary cap hell in recent years, adding young, cheap draft picks would appeal to them.

Landing Payton would qualify as an immediate impact move during a year in which there is not a preponderance of hot coaching candidates, and with other options somewhat limited. The Colts, for instance, could make a move for a coach again a year after deciding to extend Chuck Pagano. The Rams would be an appealing job. The Chargers have a lot of strong young individual talent, and Rivers is a few years younger than Brees.

Payton is a California native with family there and previously coached at San Diego State, so the Southern California jobs could have a particular appeal.

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22 Comments

  1. PARAMOkay, he developed Tony Romo while Quincy Carter (505 of the Cowboys 510 pass attempts in 2003), Vinny Testaverde (495 of the Cowboys 519 pass attempts in 2004) and Drew Bledsoe (499 of the Cowboys 500 pass attempts in 2005) played 99.9% of the time Romo was there and without Romo throwing 1 pass in a regular season NFL game? Hell, we should give the Saints all our picks for him!! For that matter, if that's true (he developed Romo) the Saints should pay him whatever it takes to keep him!

    Come on Jrry, you aren't expecting anybody to buy that for real are you? Did he give Romo some great tips on playing QB? Probably. Did he "develop him"? When, in his backyard? How many reps did Romo get with the 1's the 3 years Payton was there? I think the answer to that has got to be "very few".

    So what you're saying is a QB coach only works with the teams starter? How did Goff get any coaching this off season and the weeks when Keenum was starting?

  2. PARAM

    And Romo gave his OC Tony Sparano credit for his success in the season he became a starter. Look I'm not saying Payton didn't help Romo get ready to become an NFL QB. Did he "develop him" like Martz developed Trent Green? Or Warner? Or Bulger? No. He got him ready to become an NFL QB. I'd bet Testaverde and Bledsoe did more for Romo than Payton.

    Yes, he literally developed Romo like Martz developed Trent Green, unless you are going to say Norv Turner deserves the credit for Trent Green's development because Turner was the offensive play-caller in Washington when Green became the starter. 😉

    Lotsa stuff gets credited here or there. It makes for better copy. It makes for enhanced image. I don't doubt that Romo listened to Payton & Testaverde & Bledsoe but did Payton "develop" him? I can't go that far. Ah screw it, maybe it's just because I have a low opinion of Payton. He got the opportunity to be Drew Brees' coach and that affords him credit for Romo.

    I hope Payton doesn't get the job. I would be really sick to my stomach.

    I get it. I'm not a fan of Josh McDaniels. I have a hard time giving him credit for anything that's borderline too.

  3. And Romo gave his OC Tony Sparano credit for his success in the season he became a starter. Look I'm not saying Payton didn't help Romo get ready to become an NFL QB. Did he "develop him" like Martz developed Trent Green? Or Warner? Or Bulger? No. He got him ready to become an NFL QB. I'd bet Testaverde and Bledsoe did more for Romo than Payton.

    Lotsa stuff gets credited here or there. It makes for better copy. It makes for enhanced image. I don't doubt that Romo listened to Payton & Testaverde & Bledsoe but did Payton "develop" him? I can't go that far. Ah screw it, maybe it's just because I have a low opinion of Payton. He got the opportunity to be Drew Brees' coach and that affords him credit for Romo.

    I hope Payton doesn't get the job. I would be really sick to my stomach.

  4. PARAM

    Okay, he developed Tony Romo while Quincy Carter (505 of the Cowboys 510 pass attempts), Vinny Testaverde (495 of the Cowboys 519 pass attempts) and Drew Bledsoe (499 of the Cowboys 500 pass attempts) without Romo throwing 1 pass in a regular season NFL game!

    Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. You don't have to throw passes in the regular season to improve. Especially when you're a UDFA.

    As I've said many times, I don't think it's valuable to sit a guy like Goff for half the season. It doesn't change the fact that he'll be a rookie once Week 9 comes around. You can't substitute for game experience as a rookie.

    But yea, if you gave Goff three years to learn under a top offensive mind, I think he'd look pretty damn good by the time he got to play. If you doubt that, look at Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers.

    You can learn sitting on the bench. It just isn't a huge benefit for QBs who are already NFL ready and QBs who are going to play as rookies. For it to be very valuable, you have to give them at least a full season.

    We should give the Saints all our picks for him.

    Don't distort my position. I've made it clear that I wouldn't give more than a 2018 5th for him.

    Come on Jrry, you aren't expecting anybody to buy that for real are you? Did he give Romo some great tips on playing QB? Probably. Did he "develop him"? When, in his backyard? How many reps did Romo get with the 1's the 3 years Payton was there? I think the answer to that has got to be "very few".

    Yes. He developed him. Just like Martz developed Trent Green in Washington. You don't think Green stepping in and having a good year in 1998 was out of pure luck, do you? You don't think it was pure luck that Romo stepped up in 2006 and had a nice year, do you? You don't think it's pure luck that Aaron Rodgers looked great in 2008 when he became a starter, do you?

    None of those guys looked like rookies despite that being their first year as a starter. Hell, Bill Parcells credited Payton for convincing Romo to come to Dallas and developing in his book.

  5. jrry32Sean Payton:
    Dallas Cowboys QB Coach – 2003 to 2005

    Tony Romo:
    Dallas Cowboys backup QB – 2003 to 2005

    It's not a coincidence that Romo looked amazing as the starter in 2006 after spending 3 years with Payton as his coach. Just like it's not a coincidence that guys like Warner, Bulger, and Trent Green developed under Mike Martz.

    Payton also wasn't OC in Dallas. Maurice Carthon was in 2003 and 2004. Payton was promoted to passing game coordinator in 2005 while Tony Sparano was the running game coordinator.

    Okay, he developed Tony Romo while Quincy Carter (505 of the Cowboys 510 pass attempts in 2003), Vinny Testaverde (495 of the Cowboys 519 pass attempts in 2004) and Drew Bledsoe (499 of the Cowboys 500 pass attempts in 2005) played 99.9% of the time Romo was there and without Romo throwing 1 pass in a regular season NFL game? Hell, we should give the Saints all our picks for him!! For that matter, if that's true (he developed Romo) the Saints should pay him whatever it takes to keep him!

    Come on Jrry, you aren't expecting anybody to buy that for real are you? Did he give Romo some great tips on playing QB? Probably. Did he "develop him"? When, in his backyard? How many reps did Romo get with the 1's the 3 years Payton was there? I think the answer to that has got to be "very few".

  6. PARAM

    I read that someplace else too but in checking the timeline with Payton, he was OC in Dallas under Parcells from 2003-2005 and the QBs who played for the Cowboys were Quincy Carter in 2003; Vinny Testaverde in 2004; Drew Bledsoe in 2005. Payton was head coach of the Saints in 2006, the season Romo threw his first NFL pass, so he must have done one helluva job training a backup QB who retained that teaching and translated it onto the field while Payton was in New Orleans. I read he tried to trade for Romo after he got the Saints job but there's a huge difference in "seeing something in a player" and actually "developing the player". It's a great story but I ain't buying any Payton/Romo development program when I've read so often this year that young QBs don't learn squat on the practice field compared to what they learn in live game action.

    Sean Payton:
    Dallas Cowboys QB Coach – 2003 to 2005

    Tony Romo:
    Dallas Cowboys backup QB – 2003 to 2005

    It's not a coincidence that Romo looked amazing as the starter in 2006 after spending 3 years with Payton as his coach. Just like it's not a coincidence that guys like Warner, Bulger, and Trent Green developed under Mike Martz.

    Payton also wasn't OC in Dallas. Maurice Carthon was in 2003 and 2004. Payton was promoted to passing game coordinator in 2005 while Tony Sparano was the running game coordinator.

  7. jrry32It's also worth pointing out that Drew Brees isn't the only QB that Payton developed. Payton developed Tony Romo from a UDFA to a Pro Bowl QB during his time in Dallas. Payton actually tried to trade for Romo (who had not yet started for Dallas) prior to signing Brees.

    I read that someplace else too but in checking the timeline with Payton, he was OC in Dallas under Parcells from 2003-2005 and the QBs who played for the Cowboys were Quincy Carter in 2003; Vinny Testaverde in 2004; Drew Bledsoe in 2005. Payton was head coach of the Saints in 2006, the season Romo threw his first NFL pass, so he must have done one helluva job training a backup QB who retained that teaching and translated it onto the field while Payton was in New Orleans. I read he tried to trade for Romo after he got the Saints job but there's a huge difference in "seeing something in a player" and actually "developing the player". It's a great story but I ain't buying any Payton/Romo development program when I've read so often this year that young QBs don't learn squat on the practice field compared to what they learn in live game action.

  8. It's also worth pointing out that Drew Brees isn't the only QB that Payton developed. Payton developed Tony Romo from a UDFA to a Pro Bowl QB during his time in Dallas. Payton actually tried to trade for Romo (who had not yet started for Dallas) prior to signing Brees.

  9. PARAM

    Sure if he keeps Williams around. My question is can he develop an offense without Drew Brees?

    Williams and Payton hate each other. If Payton ends up here, Williams is gone. I think he can develop an offense around Goff.

  10. PARAMSure if he keeps Williams around. My question is can he develop an offense without Drew Brees?

    I guess I can flip the question and ask.. Is Brees elite or is he a by-product of his offensive scheme?

    A lot of people ask the same of Brady. Would Brady still excel in any other scheme?

  11. PARAMPayton can stay in the Big Easy. IMHO, Drew Brees has made Sean Payton, not the other way around. For those Ram fans who hate the way Fisher's offenses have performed, how ya gonna feel losing games 45-41 under Payton…..if he can develop an offense without Drew Brees?

    It's easier to win with Brees. But remember that when he signed Brees, Brees was considered just a good QB and was coming off of a major shoulder injury. Brees became an elite QB under Payton in his system. Payton's system fits Jared Goff PERFECTLY.

    I cannot think of a better guy to bring the best out of Goff than Sean Payton. He's exactly what we need.

    And I don't believe for a second that Payton doesn't like defense. He's hired Defensive Coordinators with strong track records. Problem is that Mickey Loomis isn't giving them defensive talent to work with. Plus, they've been in cap hell the past few years. We can give him a defense. We can give him cap flexibility. We can give him a young, talented QB who fits his system like a glove. Payton can give us a head coach who is amazing at getting the most out of his WRs, TEs, OLs, and QBs. And IMO, we can attract a top notch DC to pair with Payton. Payton isn't the type of guy to meddle.

  12. PhxRam

    I agree that he is on the opposite spectrum as Fisher, but do you think he could come in and maintain a decent defense that is already built?

    Sure if he keeps Williams around. My question is can he develop an offense without Drew Brees?

  13. PARAM

    Payton can stay in the Big Easy. IMHO, Drew Brees has made Sean Payton, not the other way around. For those Ram fans who hate the way Fisher's offenses have performed, how ya gonna feel losing games 45-41 under Payton…..if he can develop an offense without Drew Brees?

    I agree that he is on the opposite spectrum as Fisher, but do you think he could come in and maintain a decent defense that is already built?

  14. Payton can stay in the Big Easy. IMHO, Drew Brees has made Sean Payton, not the other way around. For those Ram fans who hate the way Fisher's offenses have performed, how ya gonna feel losing games 45-41 under Payton…..if he can develop an offense without Drew Brees?

  15. I wouldn't have any problem with Payton. His Saints team's have never really ever gone into full on suck mode. Plus his experience should help the cause for a quick turnaround.

    I am gonna miss Williams however. Regardless of who is coach next season I don't really see Greg coming back. I would like to retain him but odds are…

  16. I wouldn't be upset if the next coach did try to retain Williams. But I wouldn't be upset either if the next coach went a new direction.

    I do wonder if the stupid penalties (most recently Donald throwing the flag) come from Williams trying to instill "attitude" in the team. When you're winning, stuff like that may make you look tough. When you're losing, it makes you look pathetic and dirty.

  17. Boffo97

    Hiring Payton would let Gregg Williams know it's time to update his resume… 😉

    He may not even WANT to come back.

    Firing his good buddy Fisher and being overlooked (they very well could have asked) as interim HC.

    I am torn on Williams. His D has had a few clunkers but for the most part has kept the Rams in almost every game. He obviously understands the direction the game is headed by switching to his hybrid LBs.

    I wouldnt be upset if the next HC retains (or trys) to keep Williams on board.

  18. I wouldn't be opposed to this if you do not mind the pendulum being swung completely the other way.

    Go from a guy who loves defense to a guy who loves offense. Pick your poison I guess.

    I love having a hard nosed defense, but in todays game I think offense wins games.

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